Phenibut Discussion. Part-2

Phenibut same - it's a very, very unique product, often repeat, is a good substitute - an alternative to supplements, because its tranquilizing properties are quite within 1500-2000mg / day, but there is no side effects, and memory indicators of intelligence in general only improve. If addicts have nothing to take, they OCCASIONALLY Phenibut abuse, which, of course, at high doses, leads to the formation of dependence is very mild. Often it is not required to facilitate specific drug withdrawal. Phenibut, I repeat again, it is one of the few neuroprotective drugs, has no side effects like Piracetam, etc. (agitation, insomnia, etc.) - so Phenibutum very popular. Adding it to the treatment regimen of mental disorders significantly reduces the dose of antipsychotic drugs, biological supplements and other medicines, and thus eliminates the side effects Phenibutum "heavy drugs". A unique product that has no analogues in the world. And the fact that many doctors do not know how to use it properly, and drug addicts sometimes abuse them - it is clear how to grams peas. And even more clear ignorance of many "Psychiatrists" in relation to Phenibut - they are, I repeat, we must be able to use.

Phenibutum actually promotes rejection of depression since the first dose. It helps to maintain physical activity and overloads, Phenotropil is a littleall the same. But ... in conditions of psychological stress preferred the latter. Several noticeable mood-elevating effect of this nootropic that is not always necessary. Overall, a very decent product - not expecting.

Introduction into the molecule of the fatty GABA phenyl radical Phenibut converts it into a preparation. This radical GABA easily penetrates into the brain and has a strong inhibitory action (which is characteristic of this acid).
GABA also exerts nootropic effect (it is mandatory participant in many metabolic processes in the brain).

What do you think about course combination Phenibut and Pantogam (say Pantogam course lasts, and for 2-3 weeks joins Phenibut)?

To reduce the irritating effect on the mucous membrane of the digestive tract Phenibut had to take gastrofarm, with a clear action Phenibut I have not seen.

Before taking phenibut need a square meal, a good anxiolytic, good support in stressful situations, but slows down response time.

In general, I have absolutely no interest in the use of recreational Phenibut not interested as to develop the use of ad hoc, most want to know is about the use of foreign exchange, as I expressed astenik with a combination of fatigue and at the same time quite strong generalized anxiety.

I know a lot of stimulants, some of them tried Enerion the same way, foreign exchange reception very nice reduces fatigue - BUT! - My whip in the first place - the anxiety, uncertainty, stiffness, severe vegetative reactions sometimes the most innocuous anxiogenic stimuli (call the client at work, resolution of operational problems, etc.) - vega rushing, by leaps and bounds: the pulse quickens 3 sekndy and a half times, sweating, subjective sense of increasing blood pressure.

I want it to get out of it completely. Symptom of a watch for about 7 years (21 years for this day, 28 years), and watch it in the steady development. Shoveled tons of material for nootropics, tranquilizers, psychostimulants, etc. Many have tried, but their main problem - the alarm and a monstrous reflection - to win can not. I think, and fatigue grows from here.

He was engaged not only in self, was the doctors. In addition to the procedures and the regime (by the way, involved in athletics, I love warm baths, etc. - helps only during the procedure, from start to finish: got out of the bath / jumped off the treadmill - Symptoms go into growth again)
doctors prescribed: 1) Pantogam 2) Medazepam.

Medazepam tried (although he knew what the charm) - by itself, Tupelo, and sexual life left in the realm of fantasy. Naturally, from the BDT he refused. By the way, I tried Grandaxinum - about anything.

Pantogam begin to accept and finish, more than 3 months did not take any time - yes, some effect is, again, starting with doses of 2g (8 tablets) per day, but more or less serious anxiogenic environment (and I Manager active sales) effect is somewhere far away, faint background.

You write that your main problem is "anxiety, uncertainty, stiffness, monstrous reflection, and hence fatigue." So I do not see in this case, the indications for admission nootropics. You yourself write that you have tried many things, but the condition is getting worse, "a symptom watch for about 7 years (21 years for this day, 28 years), and watch it in the steady development." Therefore, it may make sense to discuss with your doctor the inclusion in the scheme of treatment of antidepressants and tranquilizers?

I took sertraline (Stimuloton) 200 mg / day. Yes, the mood in general is increased, more energy - but! - Anxiety remained still, fatigue, in principle, too. Thus, in general, antidepressant influenced only general background mood. (NB Before taking Sertraline Fluoxetine 2 months - went to Sertalin because of sedation, which is produced in the fluoxetine me).

I would take Sertraline further, but left (descended gradually decreasing doses of "ladder") due to the negative effect of too, which he made on libido, erection and sensitivity, up to anorgasmia. (By the way, occasionally (3 weeks) tried mono bupropion, yes, of course, in the sexual sphere it acts only positive, but - crazy aggression, impulsivity, anxiety generally passed into paranoia ....)

In general, empirically observed that the most positive impact on the complex I have only nootropics, but in different ways. Of course, Timo-analeptic effect of sertraline is beyond competition.

What's to argue Phenibutum popular among the people and is sold without a prescription. How to love to joke with the reception thereof nootropic becoming give a damn :) hence the root Phenibutum. But seriously Phenibutum suppresses anxiety, relieves asthenia, energizing, acting a little Wegetotropona, enhances the antidepressive effect in TCA - prices were not, would this nootropics, but unlike Phenotropil - reduces attention and slows reaction.

I take Phenibut for week, there is a strong effect, but I just have not tried before. You can draw an analogy to its action of bupropion, only changing the negative to the positive.

Bupropion is also based on phenyl-ethylamine structure (this is just for reference).

However, personally from bupropion I watched the monstrous aggression and destructive thinking.
From Phenibut - quite the opposite, I would call it a strong empathogen.


Phenibut acc. the law should be sold strictly on prescription. It should be noted that for him now follow stricter than many other funds, stricter than fluoxetine (eg., Profluzak). And I readily understand why, because Profluzak (when I took it - the doctor wrote 1.5 years ago) almost makes man God's dandelion. Then the action is much more difficult Phenibut.

I for myself have now understood why the whole attitude towards Nootropil skeptical - as compared to all other Phenibut nootropics (and I have tried almost everything, trying to get out of troubling asthenia) - compared to him they - vitamin C in the degree of impact on the psyche.

Moreover, now I would recommend to treat it much neater. Yes, positive, but very, very strange ... I do not know what will happen, but it seems to me that the first time my personality changes, and much more so than it has been in the treatment of other nootropics, DB, antidepressants (fluoxetine and sertraline (at a time, one had to change to another) - on doctor's advice).

I currently find it difficult to give a general description of this change. Of course, I notice a significant reduction asthenic effects (weakness, fatigue), as well as anxiety, but I think it gives a certain price, though, I repeat, I can not say for sure, strategically change negative or positive.

I can only assure you that the anti-social effects, drug aggression is not exactly in this respect it is safe.

But the fact that it is often prescribed to children ... I was puzzled and confused now that I feel in myself these changes. I would not recommend prescribed the drug during the formation of the central nervous system.

But the fact that the drug is definitely powerful, I can confirm (based on my extensive experience in the treatment of a placebo effect can not be considered - not only admit to the second reception at the beginning of the course I felt no small skepticism with regard to the drug - of course , expected effect, but suggested that it would be slender like Pantogam).